I went out for lunch today and this lady Lisset (worker at the restaurant) asked me if I was wearing a pentagram.
I said yes.
She asked me... she asked me if I was a "Devil Worshiper".
I laughed and said, "No. Isn't that a silly question?"
I picked up my table number and looked up to see her reaching over the counter, hissing and spitting (literally) and making her fingers into the sign of a cross.
I laughed louder and went to sit down, because I thought she was trying to be funny, and then I thought about it.
She was pacing behind this glass and looking at me. Then she left, came back in, left, came back into the restaurant, each time slamming the door. I realized then that she may not have been trying to make a joke.
I know the owner and I asked him to come to the table. I told him what happened and he got really nervous, then saying that "she was probably very serious" and "we're walking on eggshells with her around, she causes allot of problems." He thanked me for telling him and said he would do something about it.
I feel a little strange since she is also the delivery person and knows where I live.
I cannot get her twisted up face hissing and spitting out of my head.
It was weird.
Scott
I said yes.
She asked me... she asked me if I was a "Devil Worshiper".
I laughed and said, "No. Isn't that a silly question?"
I picked up my table number and looked up to see her reaching over the counter, hissing and spitting (literally) and making her fingers into the sign of a cross.
I laughed louder and went to sit down, because I thought she was trying to be funny, and then I thought about it.
She was pacing behind this glass and looking at me. Then she left, came back in, left, came back into the restaurant, each time slamming the door. I realized then that she may not have been trying to make a joke.
I know the owner and I asked him to come to the table. I told him what happened and he got really nervous, then saying that "she was probably very serious" and "we're walking on eggshells with her around, she causes allot of problems." He thanked me for telling him and said he would do something about it.
I feel a little strange since she is also the delivery person and knows where I live.
I cannot get her twisted up face hissing and spitting out of my head.
It was weird.
Scott
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Thu, April 26, 2007 - 9:24 PMWow! O.K., that sounds just straight-up *crazy*!!!! Frankly, she sounds like she's mentally ill, rather than just a "devout" X-tian. What a bizarre situation! I'm sorry this happened, Scott, but I guess it just goes to show that there are all kinds of fucked up, close-minded people wherever you go, and that the pentacle is *clearly* a charged icon. Just take good care of yourself, and remember that it takes all kinds of people to make this li'l old world go around, and that we're here to make the world a better place.
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Thu, April 26, 2007 - 9:46 PMThat's why I never wear mine to work, both when I was a teacher and now as a therapist, even though many of the nurses and teachers I knew wore theirs. I cannot afford to make people uncomfortable, especially when my job is suppose to allow them a "safe space" in which to express themselves.
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Thu, April 26, 2007 - 9:48 PMya. I sent no negativity but I did remove the crazy energy from my auric field. I kind of thought she was unstable for awhile now and she's been trying to "friendly" with me for a few weeks. BUT if she continues to work there it puts me in a position where I don't want to go there and I don't want to order delivery because, well because she is the one who makes the delivery.
I don't want to cause hardship for anyone but I also don't want to go to that restaurant if she's going to be there.
Thanks for the encouraging words.
Scott
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 8:07 AMThat's one reason I generally wear mine on a ring as opposed to as a pendant. It's less noticable but those who do notice will often appreciate it. I work in an almost wholly Catholic office and I don't wish to make the environment unfriendly.
I think your reaction was good - laughing at it, I mean. You probably offended her, which might have to do with the slamming of doors. But it sounds to me like you handled it well.
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 12:41 PMYuck. I'd avoid the place. You clearly did nothing wrong and sounds like you handled the question in a low key and appropriate manner. I doubt if she'll come to your house, but I would not eat where someone like that worked.
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Sun, July 8, 2007 - 8:20 PMSince the manager did something about it I would go there again. If it WAS the manager I would either not go there again or invite all my Pagan friends. Depending on how I was slighted.
So far I really have not had any problems being a Pagan in public. My Darwin Fish sticker is more of an eye catcher then my pentagram. I had more people starting shit over Darwin Fish then me being a Pagan.
My real problem (have not happened in a long while) are other Pagans trying to being me out of the broom closet. However... that is a different story.
Nuff Said
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Sat, April 28, 2007 - 12:12 AMI deal with real looooloooos I mean the real deal, Schitzo', I had a patient who everyone thought was just talking to himself, but actually he was talking to two other people............in his head that is....and they all had a different voice that came out of his mouth..
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Sat, April 28, 2007 - 7:02 AMWow, what a story. I haven't chosen to self-identify withe pentagram myself, knowing that the image has been so tainted with negative ideas. It's just an uphill struggle that I don't want to take on.
If you like the restaurant, though, I'd hate to think that avoidance is your only option. Given that this woman has tried to be "friendly" in the past, is there any chance of engaging her in conversation about it? If she's bona fide crazy that might not work, but if she has any rational capacity at all, it could.
The thing is, people assume they know what our beliefs and experiences are, without bothering to ask in a tone of respectful inquiry. As I have explored my own spirituality and talked with other people about it, I have encountered some resistance from people (not crazy ones) who just reject it outright, because to them anything spiritual must mean either 1) Christian and oppressive, or 2) New Age empty-headedness. One guy said he has "a real distaste for spiritual stuff." How can one cut out or push away an entire realm of human experience? Anyway, it can be possible to do a little gentle education. Actually doing so can be quite fruitful. -
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Wed, May 2, 2007 - 8:32 AMI am more in the camp of I should not live in fear and hide, nor should I base my actions and thoughts on the "what ifs" of other people. I really haven't encountered anything like this since High School, some 14 years ago... you know everyone has issues then. The idea of the Pentagram is the five elements, the body of the human and the universe (within and about). It is a symbol not only of my practice of Magick but of the connection I have to Athena and The Gods. I help sell high end lofts, some more than a million dollars. I also do my passion, paint, meditate, learn, heal, and live the Magickal way.
I would no more put my pentagram in my pocket than I would hide my face in public. Do you see what I am saying, it isn't a matter of pride or shame, or fear... it is an activism in that I long ago reclaimed the word Witch for myself. It is allot like the word Artist to me, both creative and connected and shamanistic in that the "Realm of the Madman, Artist and Magician (Witch) are one and the same. The difference between the first and the later is that the Artist and Magician have a map and the madman is lost in the labyrinth of the mind."
A pentagram is empowering, affirming, a reminder, a talisman, a symbol.
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Fri, July 13, 2007 - 11:56 AMGood job, Scott. I'm really sorry that you went through that. She does sound crazy. As a manager though, in food service, the staff spitting and hissing at the customers generally isn't a good idea. Y'know...sanitary reasons and stuff.
On the other hand...my cantankerous side would love to ask her if that's what Jesus would really do? You did the right thing by laughing. You probably ticked her off more by not being offended. Well done.
Even moreso, good for you for not putting your pentacle away.
Have a great day all,
Lily
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Sat, April 28, 2007 - 11:27 AMWell I don't know if that's really fair. Most people are a little 'crazy' in some way or another (or damaged, or obsessive, insert various personal issues here), so in reality, it's not so much that "they are all mixed in with us" as there is no real "They". The degree to which it affects one's life or your interactions with society are where there are causes for concern. The woman in question may have, for all we know, had such a sheltered upbringing or such a closed mind that she sincerely believes there to be that kind of evil in the world and here it was, to her mind, in front of her- that's not crazy, that's just ignorant. Or possibly Pentacostal.
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Sat, April 28, 2007 - 5:06 PMI think you are beeping the nose on that one. Well said.
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Sun, April 29, 2007 - 8:35 AMPerhaps, if she knows where you live, you could put some protection on your door, just to keep the place a bit safer. -
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Wed, May 2, 2007 - 1:26 PMgood grief. sounds familiar. I work for a liberal public agency that defends the poor in pending criminal matters.. and even here, a catholic coworker once half jokingly said, "So.. how many babies have you eaten/sacrificed today?" -
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Wed, May 2, 2007 - 6:55 PMit is the stuff said in jest, almost as if they think it is safe to say because it comes off the cuff in "humor", that cuts the most. You think, you realize, "wow, you really think that?!?!?"
Thank the Gods and good people for places like tribe.
Scott
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 8:24 AMWhen I married my husband nine years ago, he was an atheist. Things have really changed in the last several years. Yesterday, he handed me the phone number of a co-worker and said he had talked to her about my casting a protection spell for her as she's just had a bad breakup with a boyfriend who seems to be a little unbalanced. Of course, when I call her, I'm going to advise her to get a restraining order, but I like the girl, and I certainly will be happy to help her with a little spellwork. It just kind of cracked me up when he was so matter of fact about it. Especially since I just did a ritual this weekend for two girls in my leather family. Quite a bit of difference in attitude from the atheist I married.
I did some anti-gossip spell work for him (it's a long story) and blessed and bespelled a plant that he keeps in his cube so that it would make people who wished him ill feel uncomfortable in his area, but project good feelings for people who were friendly, and it seems to have worked a treat. Only one of the people who was giving him trouble are still with the company, and that guy has one foot on a banana peel. So there has definitely been a change in his feelings about the witchcraft I practice.
He even burns candles of intention on my alter from time to time.
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Re: I actually got witch-bashed!
Tue, July 10, 2007 - 12:12 PMIt is funny how that happens... my partner of 4 1/2 years, also a bit of an atheist as well (more of a spiritual humanist /atheist) said two things that just struck me. one made me laugh and the other made me do a double take...
1. We were having drinks after some pool time with two friends and he said, "It bugs me that Scott can reads minds" and our friend, also my Reiki Student of several years said (eye brows crawling up his face in shock) "...oh. Scott can read your mind?" and he said "ya." So student says "and why does that bother you?" and my partner says "because some things should just be private." LOL
OK. YES I do pick up on some things intuitively, I have heard thoughts and had conversations with advanced telepaths (don't ask me how but they were in control of the link and connection) but I don't really WANT to read his mind because (a) what would be the fun in having no mystery and (b) ewe!! Talk about no free will!
2. We were lying in bed a week later and he said to me in response to a convo we had before bed, "...You know your witchcraft worked..." I said, "What witchcraft?", and he said "That witchcraft you did on me... You didn't think I knew about it, but I did...." I laughed again. "WHAT?"
But he was serious! He thinks I put "spells" on him. LOL
no wait, ROFLMAO.
It's called love sweet stuff, and maybe just a good dose of lust too.
People change and grow in a relationship, that's a good thing when you are both loving, working partners.
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 6:21 PM>>It's called love sweet stuff, and maybe just a good dose of lust too.
Uh-huh...the best kind of magic there is! ;-)
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 6:34 PMFunny thing, Scott. Lee asked me about love spells a few months back. We'd been to a movie and were walking back to the care holding hands and he said, "I just love you so much." And I said the usual, "I love you, too." and he was silent a moment and said, "You never used a love spell on me or anything, did you?"
It cracked me up. But I assured him that there really isn't any such thing as a love spell. You can provoke lust, but not love. The best that can be done is a short term sort of lusting glamour. And I'm not interested in zombies or casual sex, so it's not at all my thing. I told him that after almost twelve years of being together, any such thing would have worn off, so what we have must be real.
Actually, I consider it bad manners to do that kind of thing.
Domina
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Mon, July 16, 2007 - 7:18 AMhehe, I've had a few instances like that before, mostly w/my pagan friends. I think the only one I really wigged out was my best friend (and roommate for a while). But there were other issues there. It is mildly funny though when suddenly 2-3 people in a room suddenly burst out in laughter and then realize no one actually opened their mouth...
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